Couey, Cohen & Covid1984 No: 01

I thoroughly enjoyed this conversation between two people seeking to create a better future for their grandkids. Perhaps it's the start of further valuable engagement between the two.

I read 1984 in 1984 and always refer to covid1984. This was For Sale on Red Bubble, until they suspended my account. C’est la vie.

I produced some 21 new artworks to illustrate this conversation between journalist Dan Cohen and Dr. Jay, plus a few already completed. This is not for everyone, but anyone can look. Covid1984 was a game changer for me and I welcomed these two chaps exploring what happened.

This was the first try, which was a tad chaotic:
https://stream.gigaohm.bio/w/i5m9ZENkLs2ohHRAWSiYvX
They tried again:
AWAY GAME with Dan Cohen II LIVE
Gigaohm Biological 12.03.2025
https://stream.gigaohm.bio/w/4PYeY5xGHUNTGmdHENYxeR
JC: Jonathan Couey, DC: Dan Cohen
Ned note 15.03.2025: Dr. Jay Couey suggests we refer to Dr. Jay to counteract Dr. Jay Bhattacharya who I have an urge to refer to Chewy as in Chewbacca.
30 secs…
JC: I have a fountain of random garbage in my head because I’m so discombobulated.

5 mins…
DC: My opinion, my analysis has changed DRASTICALLY…
JC: No pun intended!
Ned note: Covid Drastic" refers to DRASTIC, a group that stands for Decentralized Radical Autonomous Search Team Investigating COVID-19. This group formed to investigate the origins of the virus, particularly focusing on the lab-leak theory.
DC continues: I was focused on regime change operations against China. The whole Uygur genocide narrative that was totally fake…
Ned note: Putting ‘Uyghur genocide’ claims into context – Daniel Dumbrill
https://thewallwillfall.org/2021/03/30/putting-uyghur-genocide-claims-into-context-daniel-dumbrill/
7 mins…
Dan believed the threat of a virus was real. ‘In some ways I was embarrassed.’
I knew about Gaza and Israel, but not medical biological virological kind of things. I was sceptical of the lab leak because I, like the leftists, saw it as racist. Trump ended up promoting the ‘China virus’. Dan saw it was likely a virus of natural origin.

10 mins…
Dan was curious about the CDC death certificate issue
13 mins…
‘According to the CDC, the rules for coding and selection of the underlying cause of death are expected to result in COVID-19 being the underlying cause more often than not.’
Ned note: Covid-19 & Falsifying Death Certificates:
The CDC’s “More Often Than Not” Clause
https://www.thelibertybeacon.com/covid-19-falsifying-death-certificates-the-cdcs-more-often-than-not-clause/

DC: ‘We want more covid1984 deaths…’
JC: in bold type, ‘(World Health Organization (WHO): Provides international guidelines stating that) COVID-19 should be recorded on the medical certificate of cause of death for all descendants where the disease caused, is assumed to have caused, or contributed to death.’
Ned note: Death certificate data: COVID-19 as the underlying cause of death
https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/death-certificate-data-covid-19-as-the-underlying-cause-of-death/
You don’t even need a test!
DC: Instructions to medical professionals: if you think it’s covid, mark it as covid.

Side note: A Blackrock from 2023…

16 mins…
DC: Denis Rancourt saw There Was No Evidence For A Pandemic:
https://denisrancourt.substack.com/p/there-was-no-pandemic
17 mins…
Coronavirus link to China biowarfare program possible, analyst says
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/jan/26/coronavirus-link-to-china-biowarfare-program-possi/
‘Radio Free Asia last week rebroadcast a Wuhan television report from 2015 showing China’s most advanced virus research laboratory, known the Wuhan Institute of Virology. The laboratory is the only declared site in China capable of working with deadly viruses.
Dany Shoham, a former Israeli military intelligence officer who has studied Chinese biological warfare, said the institute is linked to Beijing’s covert bio-weapons program.'
“Certain laboratories in the institute have probably been engaged, in terms of research and development, in Chinese [biological weapons], at least collaterally, yet not as a principal facility of the Chinese BW alignment,” Mr. Shoham told The Washington Times.’
18 mins…
JC: the first person who said ‘lab leak’ was Steve Bannon, 25 Jan?
DC: NATO aligned Israeli disinformation claiming Chinese lab leak vs. The Pointer Institute funded by NED (Ned note: nothing to do with me!), CIA meddling arm claimed this was false!
19 mins…
JC: Washington Times’ Bill Gertz interviewed me (Jay).
DC: Bill Gertz is a long time neocon CIA Pentagon official, fired from The Washington Free Beacon after taking a $100K loan from Hong Kong tycoon arranged by Chinese billionaire Guo Wengui aka Miles Guo who was close to Steve Bannon seeking regime change China.

In effect it is lab leak vs. natural origin; the racist right-wing conspiracy theory became polite liberal society ‘left-wing’ Jon Stewart/Stephen Colbert hypothesis.
Jon Stewart On Vaccine Science And The Wuhan Lab Theory
https://youtu.be/sSfejgwbDQ8
What is the origin of a virus? Presupposed that there is a virus spreading around!
23 mins…
Dan Cohen was beginning to think this whole thing is fake and reached out to Denis Rancourt who referenced Dr. Jay Couey.
25 mins…
JC: I started reading the primary literature about Corona Virus. When you read the primary literature for a living, you come to understand what is being written. Virology is not a bunch of magic; most of the techniques are developed somewhere else. The message in the literature was that viruses are real, they’re everywhere, some more dangerous than others, you could manipulate, change, purify, culture them, all around the world all the time. I used viruses on my (laboratory) bench, I transfect (inject) animals. Instead of concluding this must be fake, I concluded this happens all the time; they were talking like it’s a crises when it’s not. Jay told his colleagues, there have been lab leaks for 20 years and if there was a leak why would it be unusual? Lab leaks aren’t dangerous?!

29 mins…
Vanity Fair article about DRASTIC
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/06/the-lab-leak-theory-inside-the-fight-to-uncover-covid-19s-origins
Tucker Carlson did a segment on DRASTIC incorrectly attributing the founding of the group to the wrong person, that a primary member was www.jamiemetzl.com who was never in the group.
DC: Jamie Metzl ‘Technology Futurist, Geopolitics Expert, Entrepreneur, Sci-Fi Novelist, Keynote Speaker’ was the most liberal proponent of the lab leak theory; long time government official super-hawkish on China. You Jay were unwittingly recruited.
JC: To a certain extent everyone should see themselves as unwittingly recruited to promote this narrative on social media, and if you were really good at it, you might have been promoted by other people. A lot of unwitting participants. Curating a limited spectrum of debate where no one really answers any important questions.
Even after reading The SPARS exercise pandemic document;
Ned note: I believe Dr. Jay refers to:
https://centerforhealthsecurity.org/our-work/research-projects/project-archive#SPARS
https://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/sites/default/files/2022-12/spars-pandemic-scenario.pdf
… it hadn’t occurred to me that I might be part of some type of national security theatre. Now I tend to see most things through that lens.
32 mins…
JC: We alter our message when presented with facts contradictory to what we thought. I went from full blown lab leak proponent, let me help write RFK Jr.’s Wuhan book https://childrenshealthdefense.org/wuhan-cover-up-book/ to understanding the biology enough to know that also was a myth. RFK Jr. is now United States Secretary of Health and Human Services and there are things that apparently he’s not going tell everybody.
I can explain to anybody in great detail to forget that there was an RNA pandemic.

Why a hippo? It’s an English mud-puddle song thing…
Hippopotamus song

33 mins…
The RFK Jr. bear and the bike Central Park story.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/aug/05/rfk-jr-kennedy-bear-story-central-park-new-york
All of the people, including RFK Jr., who once thought my ideas were great ideas, now ignore me.
36 mins…
DC: So you (Jay) were part of a group of lab leak sleuths and determined the Wuhan book was wrong! Couey worked as part of the editorial team, in effect working for Children’s Health Defense.
38 mins…
JC: ‘1½ years of solid income for my family’. I can explain why there was no pandemic and a number of the biosecurity state could have set it up.
DC: You realised that the entire premise for the book, was false.
JC: RK Jr. views The Wuhan Cover-Up as a historical document; who said what and when. I realised it was biosecurity state theatre because the biology was impossible. This isn’t about viruses or virology, this is a much longer time-scale operation that has to do with the FDA, medicine, public health, the regulation of supplements and intellectual property of medicine and pharmaceuticals and FDA plays an essential role in safe and effective things. The FDA was started by RFK Jr.’s father. RFK Jr. and MAHA doesn’t address the opioid epidemic. RFK Jr. and people around him know what I know and probably they know it’s right; that’s the worst part.
43 mins…
DC: When you told him this is biologically impossible, the entire thesis of your book is false...
JC: A week later after that email, I was on RFK Jr.’s podcast hosted by CHD. I was supposed to be on for an hour. It was RFK Jr. with Dr. Meryl Nass, Dr. Robert Malone, Jessica Rose PhD, Dr. Tess Lawrie and myself. I had 7 minutes while Dr. Robert Malone spoke for 45 minutes. I was very upset. Mary Holland sacked me for speaking about Robert Malone on my own podcast.
46 mins…
DC: You’re listed as the first person in the Wuhan book acknowledgements.
JC: The only person who was paid in the list of experts is me.

DC: It shows a lack of integrity. I saw the same lack of integrity on Israel-Palestine. RFK was critical on the Ukraine war. Peter Hotez denounced RFK Jr. and Joe Rogan for promoting anti-science, dangerous anti-vaxxers and RFK Jr. challenged Hotez to debate him. RFK Jr. looked very strong. But…
50 mins…
On Israel RFK Jr. shows he is not who he claims to be. Ukraine no, Israel yes? Jeffrey Sachs is one of RFK Jr.’s best friends, a frequent co-author of Jeffery Sachs is the wife of Peter Hotez?!
Ned note: I can’t find anything to substantiate collaboration between Jeffrey Sachs and Mrs. Hotez, but I did find: Hotez is the parent of an autistic daughter. In his 2018 book Vaccines Did Not Cause Rachel's Autism: My Journey As a Vaccine Scientist, Paediatrician, and Autism Dad he declared that vaccines did not cause his daughter´s autism.)
Jeffrey Sachs is a proponent of the lab leak theory. He was an author for the:
The Lancet Commission on lessons for the future from the COVID-19 pandemic
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(22)01585-9/fulltext
Ned note: A recent episode of the UK Column News featured Jobst Landgrebe:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/jobst-landgrebe-165103a/
https://cognotekt.com/en
He’s a healthy sceptic of the power of AI…
https://www.ukcolumn.org/video/where-theres-no-will-theres-no-way-why-artificial-intelligence-will-never-rule-the-world
… yet scoffed at suggestions in the UKC News chat-box that there might be a question over viral pandemics. Perhaps UKC could talk to Dr. Jay.
Patrick Henningsen is a UK Column presenter and I suspect queries the lab leak theory. Ryan Dawson, among my regular go-to’s for years, seems to believe anyone doubting the lab leak is a ‘kook’. Dr. Jay, Patrick and Ryan would be an interesting conversation to listen to.
https://rumble.com/v6qwigy-midweek-wire-skinny-on-jfk-files-with-guest-ryan-dawson.html
52 mins…
DC: This narrative that there was no actual scientific basis for, then Dr. Couey experiences this web of lies, and unlike most maintained his integrity.
RFK Jr. is in the Trump administration while Dr. JJ Couey has Gigaohm Biological.
54 mins…
RFK Jr. says nothing about the public health crises, the opioid crises…
JC: Imagine if he dropped, 300 kids will die of opioids this week…

DC: Then RFK Jr. puts out a statement: antisemitism is the public health crises!
Health Secretary RFK Jr Declares “Anti-Semitism” a Public Health Crisis
https://freewestmedia.com/2025/03/04/health-secretary-rfk-jr-declares-anti-semitism-a-public-health-crisis/
This guy is faker than fake. There is nothing real about him.
JC: I would say Dennis Kucinich had this exact same experience as his campaign manager and Denis just dropped off, that quick.
Ned note: Did RFK Jr. describe the Palestinians as among the most pampered? While producing artworks for this Couey Cohen conversation, Candace Owens published:
So… The “Conspiracy Theorists” Were Right About JFK | Candace Ep 164
At 51 mins 51 secs: she mentions the ‘opioid crisis’.
52 mins 12 secs: ‘you create your own time’; just as Dr. Jay does.
https://rumble.com/v6qy98g-so-the-conspiracy-theorists-were-right-about-jfk-candace-ep-164.html
Ryan Dawson as mentioned above is the one Candace should talk to about JFK. Even Gilad Atzmon, probably a friend of both Patrick’s and Ryan’s, has shared Candace’s episode. Palestinians, pampered? Really RFK Jr? On with Couey-Cohen…
DC: I covered the ‘Defeat the Mandates’ (Washington, D.C., 23 January 2022, featured speeches from Robert F. Kennedy Jr., Dr. Robert Malone, Del Bigtree)
I loved what RFK Jr. had to say about tyranny: the Nazis would have loved today’s technology to control people… then he comes out pro-Israel, the Gaza strip is the picture of total control with children living in a bombed out ghetto surrounded by high tech walls and fences with remote control machine guns… RFK Jr. talks about a biosecurity state yet supports that!
57 mins…
JC: Israel was the example of what they want to do with the rest of the world. Access to all medical data, mandates, Israel was the lab of Pfizer, give over sovereignty to duty to the state.
It’s not depopulation. The population of the earth is going to decrease itself, that’s already guaranteed. They don’t need to kill us of, that’s happening anyway. The question is what are they planning to do with the data? Personalised medicine!

I’m adding an artwork made 04 September 2024, to emphasise the situation of the ‘pampered Palestinians’.

1 hr….
JC: Interesting characters such as Senator Kefauver…
Estes Kefauver was a U.S. Senator from Tennessee who played a significant role in strengthening the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) through the Kefauver-Harris Amendment…
From the moment RFK Jr.’s father was killed, there were interests grooming, positioning him. Is RFK Jr. the victim of the ultimate Truman Show?
2013 the World Mercury Project changed its name to Children’s Health Defense; he was reluctant to take on that cause. He was with his environmental work.
1 hr 3 mins…
JC: We should be advocating for no intramuscular injections in children and that’s a very different position from the one I took before.
It’s not a message for everyone, but it is a message anyone can absorb. Your message about Zionism is similar.
We’ve inherited a lot of this from our parents and they didn’t know either.

1 hr 6 mins…
DC: I’m 99.9% sure this (pandemic) is phoney.
1 hr 10 mins…
JC: There was a fire in that the population pyramids predicted there’d be more all cause mortality in the next 5-10 years than there was in the past and that it would almost double. Social security will go bankrupt, can’t afford Medicare, more old people than ever before, costs more money to keep them alive than before. They knew more people would die in the coming years, but could they murder enough people to cause peaks and call it a disease? Can a lab leak do this? Is it a lab leak or natural (origin), presupposes RNA can do this, presupposes this phenomenon is always happening. Much of virology literature will never allow you to escape because there are no clues to their own limitations; just go along with assumption.

1 hr 15 mins…
Touch free. Covid1984 restructured society in so many ways.
JC: Israel is a model. Trump announced $1/2billion for AI to be applied to medical records and data. Joshua Lederberg, 1950’s, 1960’s up till now, a Nobel laureate credited with coining the term ‘microbiome’, combining computers and genetic code.
Ned note: According to that highly reputable and reliable platform Wikipedia… ‘The word microbiome (Greek micro meaning ‘small’, bíos meaning ‘life’) was first used by J.L. Mohr in 1952 in The Scientific Monthly to mean the microorganisms found in a specific environment… but I just watch paint and ink dry. End note.
AI is not intelligence, that’s dumb, it’s machine learning. We remove the gigantic variable which is wonderful diversity of a normal natural species. The diversity of people and genomes available now on the earth is never going to be this high again. We’re going to go from 10 billion to 2 billion whether you like it or not.

The people that run the show, the over-class, have known this for decades and used this as an eclipse to fool the natives that something else is happening; that they’re in control; they can make Gain Of Function viruses that go around the world. Murder, lies and an existing biological phenomenon that can’t be dismissed; a population pyramid with a lot of people dying. It’s being taken advantage of to teach a mythology to our children.

1 hr 20 mins….
DC: An ultimate goal to understand the human genome, for what purpose?
JC: Engineer an end to disease, better humans, take control of evolution of the species.
DC: Like eugenics?
JC: Absolutely. Jamie Metzl believes in human augmentation.
DC: Is this possible?
JC: My guess is they do have the computer and sequencing technology available. The PCR test can identify anything you want. It has become ubiquitous, who’s regulating this? Medical remnants are real; they sell the foreskins in American still, for cell culture, they sell placentas from caesarean births for much higher prices. Remnants from PCR swabs from university kids for 2 years. Universities were selling those remnants.
Ned note: Medical remnants: In a medical context, remnants refer to leftover parts of specimens that would otherwise be discarded after standard medical procedures. These can include biofluids like serum, plasma, saliva, urine, cerebrospinal fluid, and tissues. Remnant samples are often used for research purposes, such as validation, verification, method and technique development, training, and quality improvement. They can also be used for pilot studies and testing new techniques, providing valuable resources for clinical research.

Ned note: with remnants in mind, this story popped up…
Millions of people’s DNA up for sale as 23andMe goes bankrupt
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/03/24/millions-of-peoples-dna-up-for-sale-as-23andme-goes-bankrup/
Back to JC: That’s data to be fed into the AI. The Genome project; they want our children all on on this. They will break the de-identified records process. It’s critical to gain control of HHS, FDA, CDC because the whole vaccine schedule is a criminal enterprise and a big problem.
The pandemic couldn’t happen unless people died. If anyone experienced ‘hospital covid’, did they apply ‘willy-nilly’ supplementary oxygen because that can result in precisely the condition they say what a SARS virus does: acute respiratory distress syndrome. Oxygen toxicity can result in acute damage within an hour or two. They are giving it to the Pope right now. Pure oxygen at 60 litres a minute can make you sick; that pneumonia is not viral, it’s bacterial. If you don’t use anti-biotics, you’re killing them.

The opioid crises has been killing 100 thousand young Americans a year for 5 years is why life expectancy has gone down in the US. If you thought you were never this sick, it’s because before you just worked through it, but this time the TV was telling you it was something deadly, contagious and awful and would be irresponsible for you not to take it seriously. The lightest symptoms could make you think you are ‘participating in this show’. The TV told us it was significant this time.
DC: People freaked out. We were told every single person is a potential threat. There was a psychosomatic element. There were several medical professionals who tested ‘positive’ and killed themselves, several nurses committed suicide after testing positive. An over-weight diabetic called the police and charged at them with a gun and a samurai sword; he was so terrified he wanted to die. The media propaganda should make us furious. Military programmes. ‘Operation Mockingbird’, infiltrated social media; a curated reality; ‘This is the sickest I’ve ever been…’

My grandmother ‘imprisoned’ in a room, my wife, new born and I allowed to see her through a sheet of plastic wearing masks for 15 minutes. She looked so degraded.

With hindsight, they took grandma in a wheel chair to the edge of the cliff and dumped her off. They killed her.

1 hr 39 mins…
In Pennsylvania the (fear) protocols were designed in a privately funded Carnegie-Mellon University laboratory in concert with FaceBook, DARPA, Google and Amazon, Pennsylvania Governor Tom Wolfe…
JC: He has a long history with the biosecurity state….

1 hr 42 mins…
DC: It’ll never happen, but we need an independent inquiry just as we do with Oct. 7th; how many people were killed by Israel?

Who were the witting agents? Lab leak, spike proteins, the origin are just distractions. Our future is at stake. I would encourage people to go to:
https://gigaohmbiological.com/

… and challenge Dr. Jonathan Couey, interview you.
1 hr 48 mins…
DC: I told Redacted I’m doing a full interview with you and want to do a follow up interview with me about it. I’d rather they just interview you, but…
1 hr 50 mins…
DC: NAFO Twitter accounts were seeding the lab leak as early as Dec. 2019: The NAFO (North Atlantic Fella Organization) account is an unofficial Twitter account that represents the NAFO movement, which is dedicated to countering Russian propaganda and disinformation about the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine.

Dr. Jay and Dan Cohen wind down the conversation.

Dr. Jay referenced: Dependency and depopulation? Confronting the consequences of a new demographic reality
https://www.mckinsey.com/mgi/our-research/dependency-and-depopulation-confronting-the-consequences-of-a-new-demographic-reality

I had an urge to work on this conversation. It contained some salient points I’ve tried to highlight. Having finished and saved my transcription notes from Dr. Jay’s live stream, I saw this had been released:
The pandemic that wasn't: A wide-ranging discussion with biologist Jonathan Jay Couey

Dr. Jay refers to murder every show. This is example testimony chronicles by Maajid Nawaz:
https://x.com/MaajidNawaz/status/1902850676465750321
https://x.com/MaajidNawaz/status/1903216198889668613

Since this Couey-Cohen conversation, Dr. Jay has talked to Kim Iversen:
https://rumble.com/v6qy83g-the-ultimate-covid-hoax-why-rfk-jrs-researcher-says-the-virus-never-existed.html

Independent journalist Patrick Henningsen has since posted to Twitter ‘X’:
Note to all you “lab leak” science fiction fans. You are firmly in league with both the CIA, and this clown…
https://x.com/21WIRE/status/1903412759817297931
Cue an artwork of the clown war-monger from May 2024…

For my own reference I include Dr. Jay Couey discussing:
All the Ways THEY LIED about PCR:
https://stream.gigaohm.bio/w/3442q71n6uzwMckdXtxa7N

Finally, I bought www.dissolvingillusions.com during covid1984.
This is one of the co-authors with Joe Rogan
Joe Rogan Experience #2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

They talk about the Delta and Omicron strains as if they are a given reality and subject matter that left me rather disappointed in Suzanna Humphries. I just don’t buy there is a specific particle identified as a ‘covid’ virus that induces a specific illness. She talks about testing herself to see if she had it. I wouldn’t test myself to see if ‘I had it’. This is nonsense talk to my ears, but I’m just an artist, not a biologist or doctor. The ridiculous icing on the ridiculous cake was Joe Rogan informing us that during the ‘pandemic’, ‘Everyone who came here we tested for covid.’
Oh dear, what utter nonsense.

This is Dr. Jay analysing Suzanne Humphries on Rogan
https://stream.gigaohm.bio/w/piiFhjzr1EVNURBDwUXumn

Forgive me Dr. Jay, but since Couey-Cohen and Dr. Jay Couey on The Kim Iversen Show, one of the ‘no-virus’ camp has also spoken with Kim Iversen. I have Cowan’s book Contagion Myth. Dr. Cowan has been rather rude and dismissive of Dr. Jay.
https://drtomcowan.com/products/the-contagion-myth
Viruses Aren’t Real. Why Dr. Tom Cowan Says Everything We Know Is Fake
https://rumble.com/v6rcies-viruses-arent-real.-why-dr.-tom-cowan-says-everything-we-know-is-fake.html

The bottom line is we were lied to and people died, not because of a viral outbreak pandemic, but due to the covid1984 policy. UK Prime Minister ‘Ratty Sunake’ literally said in the House of Commons 31 January 2024…

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As a wag once said,
‘The artist must go very far, so that the ordinary man will go far enough. Arsenal!’

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Thomas Sowell

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